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When God spoke with Cain

God conversed with Cain just as friends do. This conversation paints a picture of God the friend, a person, whom Cain knew well and seemed to be quite comfortable with (Genesis 4). Cain was not awestruck; neither fell on his knees before the awesome Creator. There was nothing sensational about facing and speaking with God. Many do not know God this way today, and that is because of dualism, cosmic wars, fallen out of heaven creatures with horns and tails seductive imaginations relating to anything supernatural or divine. But, who really had a vested interest in the creation and portrayal of spiritual things in such manner? The obvious answer is, Cain. 

We should study Cain much more than we ever have. Ironically, Cain not only faded into haze in the Bible (his genealogy is not being traced), but also he is not often addressed in sermons or church teachings, as if he does not exist. But that’s my point. Cain is in all of us; in some there’s more of him; and in others less. Actually those who are not like children—of which Jesus spoke that we should become like them—are usually those who would take you up to the pinnacle of the temple. They would show you man’s glory by trying to make you choke on it first; and then make you bow to the raisers of those great monuments (like the Free Masons) and their earthly glory and then to make you serve this very short-lived and quickly passing away mammon. 

If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it (Genesis 4:7) 


In Hebrew NEPHESH means soul and RATZON means mind, king, decision maker, decider, leader and crown. From this word we have derived the word rational and rationale.

When God spoke with Cain He did not play on his natural senses, but rationally explained to him what happens when he does well and when he does evil. God showed him how to control or rule over his soul. “When you do well your countenance will be lifted,” which speaks of a happy emotion, being glad and being at peace; hence restlessness would not be part of Cain’s emotional makeup. “But if you do not do well (your countenance will be fallen) and sin, which is the way of pain (Psalm 139:23-24) is crouching at the door.” The way of pain is just around the corner, so why would you accept its way, why would you choose to injure yourself and also others in the process? Sin has a desire, which is an emotion. A desire to do harm to others is a strange malady.

No one ever gets up in the morning and says, ‘It’s a fine day for sinning, whom can I hurt today?’ “Forgive our sins as we forgive those that have sinned against us” - we pray in the Lord’s Prayer (Matthew 6:12 original Greek text). Trespasses, transgressions, wicked and lewd acts, disregarding others; hatred, unforgiveness, faultfinding and accusations; are all wrapped in one package we call sin.

The Ten Commandments shows us what sin is. Adultery hurts. False witness hurts. Stealing hurts. Killing is the ultimate harm to life … so why people do these things, even practice?

A malicious emotion brings your countenance down. A blessed, or happy emotion lifts your countenance. That’s why in the Aaronic Benediction (Numbers 6:22:27) we hear often about God turning His face to us, and He lifts His countenance toward or on us and then comes the crown, peace. The ultimate blessing in this life is peace. The lifted countenance speaks of transferring His happiness over to us.

The opposite of peace is war, which comes from death.

And the disciples were continually filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit (Acts 13:52).

Joy is of the Holy Spirit, of God the Spirit; hence, it is totally spiritual. Anything fleshly, earthly and territorial produces in us mal emotions. We want something, but seem to not be able to get it. Like Ahab who coveted Naboth’s vineyard, but his wife Jezebel fixed that quite easily. She murdered Naboth by perverting Israel’s legal system just to satisfy her and Ahab’s greed. Like Ananias and Sapphira, who wanted to only a superficial kind of religiousness, for a show, for behind their act was a hidden conspiracy. That’s the way of pain, which continues to this very day.
When you are filled with God’s Spirit you see through things and also through people for there is nothing hidden in the realm of no time and of no territorial restrictions. And that’s in the positive as well as the negative realm. Wicked demons (violent) in people can also recognize things.

That peace Cain did not nurture, nor did he want; he did not choose it even after God spoke with him face to face. Cain chose turmoil and the state of him being like a perpetually boiling pot.

Soon after the conversation was finished Cain went and killed his brother. His countenance was not lifted, he did not rule over his soul’s mal feelings, which is a door to sin, but with his cast-down face he grabbed a heavy object and slew Abel. An emotion… Spur of the moment... Uncontrolled soul, regardless of the previous education God gave to Cain.

I come across many people who keep on complicating themselves as if on purpose, being unwilling to cross over to the realm of responsibility for one’s actions and of straight thinking.

Obviously, Cain accumulated those emotions toward his brother over a longer period of time of growing up together. Animosity, jealousy, and hatred—all are called the fleshly fruits (Galatians 5)—if not dealt with at the time of their seeding and; then later one would have to go to the root and chop it off. But that’s only possible if one’s love for God tilts the scales in the God direction. If the scale tilts only in one direction—self, one would rather stay in a theology that keeps on tickling the ear but never man’s spirit. One would hate the conviction, which Cain felt and detested.

When one accumulates too much of the mal emotions and keeps on expressing them, these emotions will possess a person and keep one in bondage. God forbid that you should become a tare (Matthew 13:30). The propensity to become a tare is in all of us; and for some mysterious reason Cain was the one that fully chose it. 

The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 3:10).

One must feed a plant to make it grow. Whatever you consume can give you either indigestion or can even poison you, or it will benefit you and in turn—out of this benefiting feeling you will also benefit others—bless and be a blessing.

God speaks with Cain for the second time. But, Cain now goes into self-pitying mode of a “poor me” kind of an emotional state. Cain is distraught, even hysterical. He got caught. Hey, he’s got tears in his eyes trying to attract pity; in this case from God. Although that is part of repentance called NAHAM (emotional distress over one’s sins, a sorrowful state) the T’SCHUVAH (the decision to rectify his evil and be completely changed) did not follow. Cain would rather ramble through the earth than come back to God’s presence, His face in the Eden region.

Obviously Cain was capable of an emotion, but it was only in the direction of self.

“The punishment is too great for me. Whoever finds me will kill me.”

And who that might be? You own parents, other brothers and sisters? No.


There were people on earth when God created Adam and those people composed the major part of the field (Matthew 13:38), which Cain impregnated with his technologically advanced thinking. It was he who gave people values of gold and silver with which they started to trade.

The Median, and the Ishmaelites were the great tradesmen of the Middle East and they were called Kenites because they descended from Cain. Egypt’s Pharaohs, Jethro Moses’ father-in-law (Judges 1:16), Haman the Agagite (Esther 8:3) and king Ahasuerus (Daniel 9:1), king of Babylon (Isaiah 14), king of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:12) just to mention few, were used to affect the history of us all. It is so to this very day and that is not evil only plainly material.  


God had placed a seal on Cain and rewired his thought processes. Many struggle today with spiritual aspects like those of eternal life, or the grasp of the non-dimensional spiritual realm. That comes from the cultivated Kenitic seed. The other genes, not the war genes, but rather the peace genes in us must be cultivated, motivated and redeemed with the thoughts and their emotional apparatus of spiritual dimensions, which were so obvious and normal to Cain - before he was rewired - but somehow they have become lost in the earlier mentioned haze.


Today, we must open our eyes to the simple and straightforward things, which are innocent and childlike. Only an adult can decide to become childlike through the usage of will and by making the right choices. But one must see value in that decision. The natural man sees no value in it; hence, hardly anyone wants to be childlike in order to receive something of the spiritual kind, which the heavenly wisdom and its power are. One must grasp it first and desire it.


Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and from Your face I will be hidden, and I will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

So the LORD said to him, Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him sevenfold.”

And the LORD appointed a sign for Cain, so that no one finding him would slay him.

Then Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Cain had relations with his wife and she conceived, and gave birth to Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city Enoch, after the name of his son (Genesis 4:14-17).

It is so interesting. All discoveries are more than interesting; they actually change our lives. When you start reading a book starting with the front cover, you end up changed because what you have consumed in many ways was new to you. Blind spots have been removed and dark corners of your mind illuminated. That is a change from the old into something brand new. The old thinking gave way to the new. However, that’s only one aspect of any change. After those small changes in our thinking there also come big changes; and these are of the miraculous kind. It is no longer a belief, or mental conviction, but transformation. Your dying body can be revived and completely healed of any deadly disease.

Why Cain sort of faded into space? What legacy he had left behind?

  • ‘Whoever would find Cain’ means someone else than his own family 
  • ‘The sign on Cain’ was a sign of preservation because of 
  • ‘The seven-fold vengeance,’ retribution punishment for killing Cain 
  • ‘Cain left God’s presence’ in the Eden region 
  • ‘Married a wife in Nod’ a land where God’s presence (face) was not

No one could slay Cain for he was to be avenged seven fold. The fearsome sign on Cain must have provoked dread. Yes it did, because unlike the people of Nod, Cain was still God’s son that turned into a tare by an individual choice.

The father of Noah, Lamech, said (Gen. 4:24) that if Cain is being avenged seven fold then he should be avenged seventy-seven times. Interestingly, Lamech lived 777 years. Why did he say that has always puzzled me? Today I understand it.

From Lamech come three things, raising animals, sheep, goats and cattle; the tending of flocks, arts like music, and iron tools for farming.


  • Methushael was the father of Lamech (Gen. 4:18).  Cain's 5th great grandson.
  • Methuselah was the father of Lamech. (Gen. 5:26) Enoch's (whom God took) grandson.

Perhaps there were two different Lamechs? Perhaps those two g-lines ran concurrently for a while and then diverged?

Adam had relations with his wife again; and she gave birth to a son, and named him Seth, for, she said, “God has appointed me another offspring in place of Abel, for Cain killed him.” To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD (Gen. 4:25-26).

Obviously Seth was the replacement for Abel and the similarity in the choice of names is inescapably curious. More: http://educatedfaith.blogspot.com/2012/10/lamech.html


Believe it or not, Noah was not only part Kenite, but his mother was obviously from Nod for Lamech had two wives, Adah and Zillah. We do not know which one was Noah’s mother, but we see the stock from which he came. Noah’s ingenuity was very much Kenite.

Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock.

His brother’s name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe.

As for Zillah, she also gave birth to Tubal-Cain, the forger of all implements of bronze and iron; and the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah (Gen. 4:20-22).


During the time of Jesus proselytization was at its peak. The process of bringing back to Jewish fold all Hellenized Jews also included conversions of non-Jews. Among them were also the famed Pharisees and Scribes. So, one can imagine that because of the mix, which occurred during almost 300 years of Greek dominance and mythological brainwashing; the desire to establish genealogical linage was very strong, especially for those who would serve as priests in the temple. High priest had to be from the tribe of Levi and a Cohen, without this proof of ancestry it would have been impossible to hold the ministry of a priest. Today this can be established through DNA tests.

Proselytes were looked down on and especially those living in Galilee; hence anyone coming from Galilee was not considered a pure Jew. That’s why we have the remarks the disciples of Jesus were making, ‘the Jews were about to stone you, the Jews this and that,’ yet the disciples and their Rabbi were themselves Jewish. Jesus said to the Samaritan woman that ‘salvation is of the Jews.’ Obviously whenever Jesus or His disciples came in contact with non-Jews, like: the Canaanite woman, the Samaritan woman and the Romans who came to Peter at Joppa; their Jewish identity surfaced quite strongly. 

Apostle Paul seemed to have also struggled with his genealogical belonging.

During the Germany’s Nazi time this obsession was the main culprit responsible for killing of millions.

Paul was not a Jew from Judah, but claimed to be an Israelite from the tribe of Benjamin. He admonished, especially the Roman believers to respect the Jews, love them and bless them. Jesus is the Lion from the tribe of Judah. But Paul got tired of these ‘fleshly identity’ games for he noticed that he falls a trap to competition with the most ‘eminent apostles’ as he once called them. He then concluded:

As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God, which is by faith (1 Timothy 1:3-4).

In Titus 3:4 Paul said,

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.    


Today, scientists are puzzled why the SARS virus (acute respiratory disease) has not reappeared, but the Chinese researchers also reported a new (Chlamydophila-like) disease they suspect that SARS may be behind it. Why am I saying this? Diseases come and fade away, they hibernate or go dormant, even for 50 years and even more in some cases. Then, all of a sudden they appear again and like swarms of locust they wreak havoc. Since that is already in nature, which God programmed, miraculous occurrences are quite natural to God. But since there are also genetic mutations—and only since 2006 we have learned that genes do remember our past—it is not too difficult to understand how the mix of the Adamic and non-Adamic genes behaved after the great flood. By stimulating the peace genes in us through education, as we do right now, we sort of excavate and revive those lost peace-genes for the war-genes have overpowered them. The peace-genes are delicate for they are extremely intelligent—God’s direct deposit—they are fragile just as the Son of God had said in Matthew 11:28-30, Learn from me for I am gentle and humble in heart and you will find rest for your SOULS. This learning is also a choice. That also means that not only Jesus was extremely delicate, but all peacemakers (Mat. 5:9) are also. That’s the reason He said in Matthew 15:14,

Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.

We could go here to speculations that there is another god who planted other plants. Or, perhaps aliens out of space produced the pre-Adamic people, etc. No. What Jesus said is plain and simple. One serves a purpose, but only for this material realm. Another provides the environment in which something can be planted, soil. And still another had been planted before the world was by no one else but God Himself.


When Balaam and Judas (See more http://llwe.blogspot.com/2012/09/reformed-theology.html) will be dealt with (sons of perdition) if God chooses to burn them up with the completely consuming eternal fire then we must look at it compassionately and never judgmentally. When the tares are completely burned up they have no recollection of their previous life, do they? They are nonexistent, as if they were never born, having any kind of identity. But if we look at this scenario judgmentally then with an accusatory tone of voice we would see God’s injustice. We are humanistic all right, but not yet spiritual enough.

God in His love and mercy chose to create people for Himself and for eternity and people who serve a purpose on earth in this dimension. And that’s okay. Your and my job is to find the entangled in man’s philosophies sons and daughters. Untangle them and bring them back to God’s fold.

Hey, if I were one of the sons of perdition, a tare or chaff and then was erased; I would not have the chance of ever thanking, or cursing God for it, or for “my sufferings in hell” for I have never existed. No consciousness whatsoever. That’s our loving God. Think about it. The same was with Cain the first devil. Compassion always comes out from itself and sympathizes, empathizes with another. That helps you understand not only others, but by using the same mechanism you understand God.

The man who had died came forth, bound hand and foot with wrappings, and his face was wrapped around with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go” (John 11:44).

It is our job to study the biblical truth, and then thank God for it. Some paid a dear price for it with their own lives. They suffered, they died, but God will erase every tear and suffering from their memory bank as if it never existed. We are thankful for the chosen people of Israel. Don’t be jealous, or try to compare yourself with someone out of your league. Be thankful instead, and support a work of wisdom, clarity and peace. God plants and He harvests. He exalts and denigrates. He is God. Period. Get to know Him in His light.  


Naturally so, the war-makers have to be thick-skinned and tough if not callous regarding the needs of others. A well-trained soldier responds only to commands not to suggestions.

We must protect our fragility. Do not expose it to violence propagated through violent men. Stay neutral and do not be unequally yoked with anybody who takes your peace away even those in your own family. Blood relations have little to do with God’s kingdom.

In Luke 10 He told us to only enter a house of a man of peace. If you do not find one take back that precious greeting of peace, shake the dust off your feet and move on until you find a man of peace. A like man associates himself with like people. Don’t play cards with cheats, unless of course you are also a cheat and enjoy cheating. Robbers cooperate with robbers, etc.


Through Tubal-Cain iron nails and saws were already available, with which Noah had built the ark. Since the initial clash of genes, between Cain and his wife also produced giants, those genes mutated. It is quite possible that giants were also used in the building of Noah’s ark. Those massive wooden beams and their lifting (just as we see it in Baalbek, Bekaa Valley in Lebanon), was probably done with the help of the giants. Hence this verse:

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown (Gen. 6:4).

“… When the sons of God came in to the daughters of men;”

God’s sons and the daughters of men it says. God’s sons were Adam’s who himself was the one who had no belly button for God formed him out of Adamah (Hebr. ground).

Genealogy of Jesus starts with Joseph the son of Eli and traces the lineage back to Adam.

… The son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God (Luke 3:38).


There is no question in my mind that this was the common term (sons of God were Adam and His sons), which was used 2000 years ego; and if that was so then someone tried to pollute it with the apocryphal Jewish, Gnostic or Christian writings. Someone tried to pin on God all the violence and human faults and thereby mystify Him. But the worse part is that these scandalous writings became more palatable to people than the plain truth. The reason for it is that those fleshly ideas took hold of the spiritual man and man has yielded to it, just as Cain did when he chose to slay Abel out of pure evil emotion.

The same pity, which Cain displayed many display today.

Jesus stopped women’s weeping over Him and told them to rather weep over their children. In other words, He asked them to turn their pity on to their children. Being crushed under the weight of the cross He carried Jesus could not shout, He had to come close to those women and perhaps whispered those words. He conquered self-pity for you and me.


Self-pity produces those weird wishes and excuses, e.g., through our self-made belief system we are forfeiting God’s truth, which is plain, yet we shall individually answer for ourselves. We have what we believe, as the current preaching goes, and that goes as far as the last judgment, as if that personal conviction can bend God’s arm or change His mind. No one will stand in front—like the Philistine Goliath—and answer to God for a group of believers or a church denomination. Each will answer to the Great Judge individually. Yes, Jesus is our Intercessor and He had asked the Father for the Holy Spirit (John 16:13) who would come to guide us into all the Truth until we mature, overcome and become perfect (Matthew 5:48; Ephesians 4:11-16), even sin no more. There will come a time when we will; altogether stop hurting.

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God (1John 3:9).

We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and no evil can touch him (1John 5:18).  


Cain had pity on himself after he committed that terrible crime, but displayed no pity on his own brother. That’s a complicated psychology, which his genes helped to generate future specimens.

Those who are only able to pity themselves, and cry only over their own “precious feelings” but are intolerant and even ruthless when it comes to others; use manipulation as a tactic; they deceive themselves as well as others.

I for one have discovered it in me and have already dealt with those traits long time ago; that’s the reason why I can address these issues and deal with them in this fashion. How about you? Has this helped you in some way? Have you identified anything in your psychological complexities? You can easily liberate yourself and heal any malady, be it psychological, emotional or even physical. It all comes to the level of a firm and determined choice.

Make that choice today.